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Feb 12, 2006

Gandhi refused to let his dying wife take penicillin yet took quinine to save himself

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The following is a chapter from a sampler of “50 Things You’re Not Supposed to Know vol. 2” (download the 4.8Mb pdf) by Russ Kick (also here) of Disinformation fame.
One of the foibles of Gandhi Russ doesn’t mention is his sleeping with virgins to test his libido. In his later years, the great Mahatma would sleep with nubile teen girls (including his granddaughter) to prove his celibacy and to test libidinous urges. I wonder if he ever said the morning after, “Well, I tried but failed, oh well if at first you don’t succeed…”

Gandhi is often ranked, directly or subtly, alongside Jesus Christ and Martin Luther King, Jr. as one of the greatest peacemakers – indeed, one of the greatest human beings – of all time. The mythology that surrounds him – which he built, leaving his followers, admirers, and hagiographers to reinforce and embellish – has almost completely smothered the many unflattering facts about him.
In such a compact book, space doesn’t permit a full exploration of Gandhi’s numerous, consequential skeletons – his racism towards blacks and whites, his betrayal of the Untouchables, his acquiescence toward the Nazis. Instead, let’s focus on something more personal and, in some ways, more upsetting.
In August 1942, Gandhi and his wife, Kasturba, among others, were imprisoned by the British in Aga Khan Palace near Poona. Kasturba had poor circulation, and she’d weathered several heart attacks. While detained in the palace, she developed bronchial pneumonia. One of her four sons, Devadas, wanted her to take penicillin. Gandhi refused. He was okay with her receiving traditional remedies, such as water from the Ganges, but he refused her any medicines, including this newfangled antibiotic, saying that the Almighty would have to heal her.
The Life and Death of Mahatma Gandhi quotes him on February 19, 1944: “If God wills it, He will pull her through.” Gandhi: A Life adds this wisdom from the Mahatma: “You cannot cure your mother now, no matter what wonder drugs you may muster. She is in God’s hands now.” Three days later, Devadas was still pushing for the penicillin, but Gandhi shot back: “Why don’t you trust God?” Kasturba dies that day.
The next night, Gandhi cried out: “But how God tested my faith!” He told one of Kasturba’s doctors that the antibiotic wouldn’t have saved her and that allowing her to have it would have meant the bankruptcy of my faith.” (Emphasis mine.)
But Gandhi’s faith wasn’t much of an obstacle a short time later when it was his ass on the line. A mere six weeks after Kasturba died, Gandhi was flattened by malaria. He stuck to an all-liquid diet as his doctors tried to convince him to take quinine. But Gandhi completely refused and died of the disease, right? No, actually, after three weeks of deterioration, he took the diabolical drug and quickly recovered. That stuff about trusting God’s will and testing faith only applied when his wife’s life hung in the balance. When he needed a drug to stave off the Grim Reaper, down the hatch it went.

There you go, one of humanity’s modern heroes alas all too fallible, selfish, egocentric, dishonest, in a word, normal. Why millions require his deification*1 (or indeed deification of any human be it Gandhi, Buddha, Mohammed, Moses or Jesus) is still the malaise of the species. A case of “prophets before people” as exemplified by the recent cartoon affair will plague us for a long time yet. We await the posthuman.
*1 He is literally worshipped akin to a god by millions in India.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do you feel it necessarry to denegrate great people like Gandhi? Who the fuck are you and what makes you so great? Cunt.

February 13, 2006 at 11:55:00 AM GMT  
Anonymous Shaper said...

Way to miss the point. He's arguing that humans have a depressing tendency to deify people who, while great, are unworthy of unquestioning worship.

The only way to argue this point is to take someone who's universally considered an almost flawless human being, and demonstrate that they do, in fact, have flaws.

Was Ghandi a great man? Yes. Does this take away from all the good he did? No. Was Ghandi perfect, beyond reproach and therefore suitable for elevation to almost godhood? Pull your head out of your arse.

He was a human being. A great and (mostly) noble human being, but a human being nevertheless. He was cranky sometimes, hypocritical at others, and his shit smelt just as bad as yours. Stop turning him into some abstract holy glove-puppet figurehead and dignify him with proper consideration as a person.

He was a truly great person, but ultimately, he was still a person. Not a god.

But, y'know, I appreciate how nice it is to think in simple black-and-white generalities, always following the heard and vociferously defending the status-quo. After all, dropping the stereotypes and actually thinking for two seconds is so much effort...

February 13, 2006 at 1:24:00 PM GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gandhi has humiliated (not defeated) British to leave India during independence struggle which I believe is a highly debatable strategy.

February 13, 2006 at 1:43:00 PM GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think this just solidifies the fact that we cannot look to our own species for nobility of character. Gandhi was a person like the rest of us, and, as such, succeptible to being mentally deficient.

February 13, 2006 at 8:12:00 PM GMT  
Blogger Rowlf said...

Perhaps Gandhi accepted Quinine because it is not quite so artifiial or man made as penicillin. According to wikipedia quinine is "extracted from the bark of the South American cinchona tree" and thus could be considered to be more similar to the waters of the Ganges than to modern manufactured drugs. Of course, your article wouldn't have been quite so sensational had it contained this information. I don't think it unreasonable for Gandhi to mistrust a NEW man made drug derived from mold. I'm not defending Gandhi's choice, but it is not so cold or hypocrytical as you might have us believe. Moreover, I don't see how you've shown that selfishness, egocentrism, or dishonesty are demonstrated by his choice; hort-sighted and closeminded perhaps but not those other things.

February 13, 2006 at 9:50:00 PM GMT  
Blogger Rowlf said...

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February 13, 2006 at 9:53:00 PM GMT  
Blogger Rowlf said...

Perhaps Gandhi accepted Quinine because it is not quite so artificial or man made as penicillin. According to wikipedia quinine is "extracted from the bark of the South American cinchona tree" and thus could be considered to be more similar to the waters of the Ganges than to modern manufactured drugs. Of course, your article wouldn't have been quite so sensational had it contained this information. I don't think it unreasonable for Gandhi to mistrust a NEW man made drug derived from mold. I'm not defending Gandhi's choice, but it is not so cold or hypocritical as you might have us believe. Moreover, I don't see how you've shown that selfishness, egocentrism, or dishonesty are demonstrated by his choice; short-sighted and close-minded perhaps but not those other things. The post was a worthwhile read despite my objections.

p.s. - if this comment appears twice, blame my horrible typing/spelling skills.

February 13, 2006 at 9:56:00 PM GMT  
Blogger Laza said...

He was human. A great man! and may have made a mistake....anyone knows of infallible humans? This doesn’t diminish all the great things he did.

February 13, 2006 at 11:21:00 PM GMT  
Blogger We the Nirvana said...

There is no doubt that Gandhi was a great human being. And very smart too. And yet, there is no reason to say or believe that everything he said or did was good. More than anything what i did not like about him is the fact that he thinks he is the only one who is correct and does not give others the right to believe or do things in the way they want to do. This is very autocratic and non-indian way of doing things. Yet, he was smart, ahead of the leaders of his times, and made a huge contribution in the freedom of India. He is also responsible for many problems of today in India as well. Here is an interesting story.

Gandhi eldest son was very bright in studies, but those days Gandhi gave a call to the youth to give up studies and colleges run by british and join freedom struggle. But his son, very interested in studies, wanted to keep going to college. His uncle and other family members also tried to persuade Gandhi to let him continue with his life as an adult. Gandhi wanted to lead by example and told his son that if he does not comply, he will be stop having any relationship wth him and deem his as dead. His son continued his studies. Gandhi refused to see him though out his life. As an elder Hindu son, his right to lit dead fathers pyre was also removed by Gandhi. To me this is one of the most shameful thngs Gandhi did. This said, I again feel that Gandhi is still greater than most of us and we really dont really deserve a privilage to critisize him.

February 14, 2006 at 12:05:00 AM GMT  
Blogger Patrick said...

It really isn't every day that one gets to read that quinine is closer to water from the Ganges than penicillin, but thank you, I am grateful for the opportunity.
Sleeping with young girls? That, I'm afraid, really does detract from the man unless, of course, they volunteered.

February 16, 2006 at 7:58:00 PM GMT  
Anonymous gl said...

Just for the record, penicillin is any of a large group of natural or semisynthetic antibacterial antibiotics derived directly or indirectly from strains of fungi of the genus Penicillium and other soil-inhabiting fungi. Back in the 40's only the natural sort (obtained from the Penicillium mould) was used. As far as I know, fungi are not yet in the "artificial" category and are surely not "man made".
However, I agree the discussion misses the point, to err is human and Ghandi himself was not above error. His deeds and ideas however, should not be judged through the weakness of the human. He never claimed not to be weak and he struggled all his life to go beyond his weakness. For a start it might be useful to read his autobiography www.forget-me.net/en/Gandhi/autobiography.pdf

January 30, 2008 at 3:23:00 PM GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gandhi gave us Pakistan, Gandhi murdered Bhagat Singh, Raj Guru and Sukh Dev.

After splitting India into two, he's called " Father of the Nation "- UNACCEPTABLE.

India has only one hero and thats Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose. Without the bravery of his INA,
India would never have been free.

This Gandhi...whoever he is, is a fraud....lick ma ass GANDI

March 18, 2009 at 7:19:00 PM GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raqndom thought... you can't say Ghandi toook Quinine because it's not as man made as penicilline because penicilline can be natural, such as that which grows on moldy bread (mold contains penacilline.)

March 23, 2009 at 12:01:00 AM GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

finally someone who shares the same opinion of Gandhi as me. honestly, i feel that people overglorify everything. my friend WORSHIPS Gandhi and totally disagrees with me because she feels that everybody makes mistakes and that he was a good man with good intentions. well i say that's bs, because you can say the same thing with Hitler and him having good intentions for trying to redeem his country.

May 27, 2009 at 5:49:00 AM GMT+1  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Take what he taught us and use it to free the world. He may have made mistakes. But we are all human and we all have limitations in a mortal body. You have sinned, just has he has. To be a strong and true person means to not differentiate between people. View them all as family. We are all one in the end

July 15, 2009 at 4:36:00 PM GMT+1  
Blogger waleeja said...

Haha. Yes, Patrick I agree with you. If he took Quinine only because it was closer to nature than penicillin, why did he refuse it so many times before? He should have taken it as soon as the doctors offered it to him, because according to you people penicillin is 'natural'. Why have doubts?

August 21, 2009 at 4:51:00 AM GMT+1  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i never met him.. i dont know him.. but i can bet he was a bastered.. read all the stories carefully n u'll know..

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

The rather bleak account painted in this post makes Gandhi sound like a heartless hypocrit - almost the opposite extreme of those who deify him. There are some accounts of this same incident that say Gandhi was repeatedly assured that there was no hope whatsoever for his wife, and upon learning that the penicillin would have to be administered every hour. He believed she was past saving and didn't want to prolong her suffering.

I suspect that what really happened was much more complex than either of the stories we just told - just as every moment in human life is a mix of forces pulling every which way. I believe that the heart of this article is right - we shouldn't look past a man's faults just to gain an infallible prophet. But we should also not take the first slanderous account we hear as truth just to dethrone him. Read from many first-hand sources!! Generate your own opinions!!!

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rowlf.....why didn't you look up where penicillin comes from before making your comment? I would think it would make sense to look that up if you're going to compare the two. It comes from fungus....and which doesn't seem all that different from bark too me.

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February 6, 2011 at 9:24:00 PM GMT  
Blogger Surya R Praveen said...

about the MK Gandhi, we are not eligible, but yeah he had the inner strength to fight against freedom. Have to appreciate but though he slept with virgins god can't believe the truth

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Blogger theresa said...

He did not ever accept, love, respect or feel compassion towards black people. He considered them a level up from animals. Don't sugarcoat him. He wanted freedom/ relief for only Indians not all races. He was a wife beater, committed adultery, and he was a racist. I don't hate the man. That's the era and culture he grew up in. he was only a man... Not a god.

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He did not ever accept, love, respect or feel compassion towards black people. He considered them a level up from animals. Don't sugarcoat him. He wanted freedom/ relief for only Indians not all races. He was a wife beater, committed adultery, and he was a racist. I don't hate the man. That's the era and culture he grew up in. he was only a man... Not a god.

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Blogger Gabriella Kadar said...

Generally, malaria runs its course after the 3 week mark. Depending on the species of plasmodium, if he'd had Falciparum, it would have made him susceptible to cerebral malaria - a killer. The other type of malaria common in India, vivax, is not usually fatal for well nourished people who otherwise have no concomitant infections or parasites. Been there. Therefore giving Gandhi quinine at the three week stage would not have made all that much difference. His immune system would have kicked in by then and dealt with the protozoan.

December 25, 2013 at 8:25:00 PM GMT  
Blogger #3 said...

In my opinion this is a lack of empathy. Some would say "how could he lack empathy? He tried or did save so many!". Yes that might be true but the things he fought also affected him. He didn't just fight some random cause outside of his homeland. He fought what affected him. And I think this proves he was not empathetic. And I doubt he had the awareness to state that he was prolonging his life for a just reason. It would've been different had he said that and told the people that he knows his decision to take this medicine is going to cost him his afterlife, but that he did it so he could stay and help his fellow man. A type of sacrifice if you will. Anyhow, that's the end of my view on this subject. I saw there was some very hateful comments on here. And I would please ask that even if your view is different in any degree from someone else's that you try to keep an open mind and perhaps listen to what they're saying. Because chances are one you could learn something. Which is to be praised and awarded :)

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Blogger MrMatte said...

I agree that all humans are a combination of both good and evil. No one person is entirely one or the other:

Mother Teresa allegedly took pleasure in seeing the poor suffer and flagrantly misappropriated millions in charitable donations.

Adolf Hitler was very concerned about animal conservation and preventing animal cruelty. He was a staunch vegetarian and helped to completely ban vivisection in Nazi Germany.

Undoubtedly, Gandhi was a great man. Even so, he still made many, many questionable judgement calls. (Sleeping naked w/ your granddaughter? WTF dude!?!?)

I wish humanity would take off their blinders and take a more pragmatic view of just about every aspect of existence. I think it would save us all a lot of heartache if we would just accept we don't live in a binary world and that shades of grey abound.

Side note: The person who said fungus and trees(bark) "aren't all that different" needs to review biology101. They belong to entirely different taxonomic kingdoms homie. Kingdom Plantae vs kingdom Fungi!

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September 17, 2015 at 1:40:00 PM GMT+1  
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September 28, 2015 at 10:25:00 PM GMT+1  
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October 1, 2015 at 1:20:00 AM GMT+1  

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